Curse

Kook~NBK~ · Feb 21, 2006, 10:37 PM // 22:37

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Originally Posted by Sarah Pyers

People in this thread have defended monks, and then turned around in the same post and said "if u get crap just dont heal that person."

Why should anyone take abuse? I won't put up with it, and if letting someone die to get their attention to knock it off their B.S. does the trick, I'll do it. I won't leave them dead, the first time. If it's coming from one person, why abandon the rest of the party? It's not fair to them, after all. If it's a problem with 2 or more people, I'll give notice that the abuse stops or I leave (Amazing how well that works

).

But, for Monks that abuse their position by stealing drops (That IS what they are doing when they let people die to get the drops) or charging exorbitant prices for candy-canes, that's garbage, too. You can debate what a fair price of CC's are, but IMHO, 1K is way too much - and in the mission area, especially Tombs, it's blackmail to charge someone that much. (won't happen in any party I'm in, as I always carry plenty of them)

The thing everyone needs to remember is that it's not the Monk (or Ranger/Ele/ Warrior/ etc.) it's the person behind the Monk (or Ranger/Ele/ Warrior/ etc.) To clarify: If a person playing a Monk is a jerk, that person will be a jerk no matter which profession they're playing.

Keyote · Feb 22, 2006, 12:36 AM // 00:36

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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

charging exorbitant prices for candy-canes, that's garbage, too. You can debate what a fair price of CC's are, but IMHO, 1K is way too much - and in the mission area, especially Tombs, it's blackmail to charge someone that much.

That I disagree with. CC's are items so you can charge for them whatever people are willing to pay, just like anything else in the game. If the price is too high then dont pay it. It's a luxury item and people got along fine before they were in the game, so if you want it pay for it.

Francis Crawford · Feb 22, 2006, 01:55 AM // 01:55

People who play all classes can be jerks. Indeed, I assume that most people, even jerks, have multiple characters in multiple professons. But:

1. Monks find it easier to be thieves.
2. Monks, good and bad alike, are more likely to say "If you don't do things my way, I'll quit, and that will end the party's chance for success."

Vermilion Okeanos · Feb 22, 2006, 02:14 AM // 02:14

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Originally Posted by Avaith Faer

I've seen almost every other class take advantage of players in the same way, and I haven't even been past Ice Caves of Sorrow yet (keep trying but... PUG's suck).

If you are stuck on the mursaat part (where the come in big number from behind right after you rescue Elevenia), you can actually just wait until the mursaat pass over first they will get kill by dwarf sieges while helping you to kill some dwarves.

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Originally Posted by Avaith Faer

Please note that jciardha used a period. It was two different statements.

It was the in same paragraph with the same idea of argument.

Yes, you have to pay tribute to monk... while you don't really need to pay anyone else. They are your gods and godesses.

Vana The Everyoung · Feb 22, 2006, 02:48 AM // 02:48

Bad play / scamming is not restricted to any one character group or sex. The biggest problem is that with online games people are anonymous and things that they normally would not do they do.

The best way around this when playing in a pug group is to first talk to your group before you leave for the mission. Judge if you think they are trustworthy and always take screen shots of character names just in case.

I would like to see added to the game a self res that can be used say only 1 per mission, this would help with the people who camp on your body to steel your items.

Also it would be nice if the person can only see items they are allocated and that the item never becomes free.

If you are having problems with finding a trustworthy monk for missions I am free most nights that’s Adelaide Australia time.

Vana the everyoung
Healing prayers 15 diving healing 12

monk muffle · Feb 22, 2006, 05:22 AM // 05:22

well i know for a fact this is completely insane and maybe the group the monk was with before dropped the straw that broke the camel's back if you know what i mean. As a monk i cant friggin stand it i mean when i went to UW yesterday the group aggroed 2 mobs and one was the darkness group the group totally effed up because some dome dude ressed his pet when it was up near the darkness aggroed both mobs i couldnt handle the aggro becuase they werent moving out of meteor shower and i got backfire and diversion on me constantly making me choose either death or let team die and i decided team can wait ten seconds and they held for that long until grasping darkness got past and killed me then everyone started to die except the orders nec who thankfully had rebirth and guess what i was blamed for all that but luckily we still finished through all that and i got millius's pillar but anyways a monk can get pretty ticked sometimes with them getting all the blame although this is still obsurd and maybe if you had a vid recording this it would be more unbderstandable by A-Net on their part

torkerphish · Feb 22, 2006, 05:24 AM // 05:24

As a person familiar with the incident mentioned at the beginning of this thread through stories told to my by friendly guilds, I have to say personally I think it was a pretty lame move. However, one should not be personally leary just because 2 monks are in the same party, particulary a B/P trip into the new UW. I have done numerous runs now with 2 monks and have seen this trip go very smoothly with few or no deaths in 40-45 minutes. Also, 2 monks (particularly in a PUG) pretty much ensures that you will get rezzed and wont have to worry about the garbage described at the beginning of this thread.

All that being said, I can agree that I have had both heaps of praise (from people who understand how difficult good monking can be) along with heaps of crap from warriors and rangers intent on aggroing everything on the map, or the tanking elemental and blowing through my NRG as nothing but moving mana sinks. I can honestly say that I would never personally charge for my monking skills. I also dont use CCs unless they are given to me by someone else. (Mostly because I didnt play until the last 2 or 3 days of Wintersday). I also have been known to stand around giving away runes and weapons to new players in the first mission. I also try to undercharge whatever going rate is for whatever it is Im trying to hock, if I can make someones day by giving them a good deal on something, so be it, its no slack off my nose, and someone goes away happy.

Personally, I like the idea of having items not be released to the public unless you drop, or some of the other solutions in here (like picking up your items after the mission just like a regular one) It would solve all the issues like this and wouldnt take any more effort on Anets part than any of the other stuff (like nerfs) that they implement through periodic updates.

At any rate, good games to everyone...........and if you ever need a great healer, a decent bonder, or an emerging 55, look me up.

Pan T Wherer (monk extraordinaire)

Vermilion Okeanos · Feb 22, 2006, 05:34 AM // 05:34

Sounds like alot of good monks are offering to help in this thread, people shouldn't pass up a chance to have a good monk joining you. If everyone would just meet up like this, this kind of thread probably won't appear here again.

Now if the friendlist be a bit more friendly... =/

Good luck, have fun all.

CorstedPirate · Feb 22, 2006, 06:23 AM // 06:23

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Originally Posted by EnvyHax

Yeah, that sucks, but it's not really against the rules. Sometimes, you play with bad players.

BTW, I'm a pretty good monk at Ring of Fire at the moment, and would love to play with other people who know how to play ^_^

IGN: Ember Loreweaver

It's true! Envy is a good monk. I have done a couple missions with em' in which people had serious cases of idiocy. The stupid one was the only one that died over much. The tank lied about being a tank then left, it was great fun.

koneko · Feb 22, 2006, 06:28 AM // 06:28

I had a monk try to charge me 1k for a candy cane when my ranger got owned by the Wurm Siege in The Courtyard.

I politely declined and he/she stopped healing me completely. Killed by the next mob. "i still have a cc, u buy, u have bad dp now of course? 1k i sell"

/leave

CorstedPirate · Feb 22, 2006, 07:10 AM // 07:10

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Originally Posted by koneko

I had a monk try to charge me 1k for a candy cane when my ranger got owned by the Wurm Siege in The Courtyard.

I politely declined and he/she stopped healing me completely. Killed by the next mob. "i still have a cc, u buy, u have bad dp now of course? 1k i sell"

/leave

I missed out on the wintersday fest by just a bit. I only had time to do the quests, not to see what other cool stuff was going on. By the time I found out about candy canes it was too late. If I did have them though, I wouldn't charge for them mid mission. That is crap. Especially on that mission, it is almost easy if you have the right group. I had to leave that mission the first try with my monk, someone was making it very hard to do my job. I told everyone that I would be back in a few minutes and would help them if the other wasn't along. I did come back, I helped because I said I would. They still brought this other guy that was messing things up. Only this time they saw it too. Too bad we didn't get it because he was still on his lets screw things up trip.

When I was doing THK with my Ranger I messed up and died. The dp made me die a couple more times in the courtyard. Someone was nice enough to GIVE me a candy cane. Reguardless of the price of candy canes in general, a monk to offering them after you die just looks bad.

coolsti · Feb 22, 2006, 07:17 AM // 07:17

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Originally Posted by koneko

I had a monk try to charge me 1k for a candy cane when my ranger got owned by the Wurm Siege in The Courtyard.

I politely declined and he/she stopped healing me completely. Killed by the next mob. "i still have a cc, u buy, u have bad dp now of course? 1k i sell"

/leave

That is a pretty lame and sad story, but if you got as far as the courtyard, you also could have tried another tactic. Continue to play, but stay far far back out of range of everything. In other words, if the monk refuses to heal you, just refuse to contribute to the fight with the exception for the one or two enemies that you can safely shoot at from far away. You regain your DP pretty quickly in the Tombs UW, as long as you are participating somehow in the battle.

This tactic would have solved several things: 1) that idiot monk will feel cheated and stupid, and maybe rethink his new way of making money, 2) your efforts of getting as far as the 3rd level would not have been wasted, and 3) keeping your fingers on the print screen button, perhaps the monk will get so mad that he/she says something that you could send to Anet to get him/her banned for indecent gaming behavior. Your teammates may or may not have been so happy for you hanging back, but then you just need to explain why.

KurtTheBehemoth · Feb 22, 2006, 08:06 AM // 08:06

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Originally Posted by fiery

I don't wanna say be smart next time so be cautious. If you have done B/P build before its useally 5 B/P 1 MM 1 Order and 1 Monk. If theres 2 monks extra protection? I say no, and just leave the group. It has been done when occurences such as this has happend. Not being ressed and losing drops. Bring skills to help yourself in danagerous conditions or when your kiting away. ON the 4th map i make sure and take the most precaution to not die by the darknesses, cause if the darknesses are half health and you die. Will you get a res?

UH, theres only 3 parts to the tombs

KurtTheBehemoth · Feb 22, 2006, 08:33 AM // 08:33

I have a funny monk story.

I was helping a guildie with the Villiany of Galraith. So we join a group in TOA with 5 and then a LvL 16 mo/w joins at end and starts spouting how he is pure healer and is there to save the day. I ignore him but think its funny because with the W/mo character i was using I did the Villiany by myself (forgotten to do it till after i beat the game). So we start up and i didn't have time to waste because i wanted to go to tombs. I just run out and start killing the first group. everyone catches up and joins in. At no time barely anyone was taking damage because all aggro was aimed at me which didn't take any live from me. so we start breezing through it and i notice that stupid monk start trying to heal me when i was at full life which i always was. I guess he was getting bored. Np until he yells in all caps for me to stop aggroing everything in front of us. I replied that i was in a hurry and it didn't matter because no one was even hurting.

Jerk Monk: STOP AGGROING LET ME RECHARGE!!!!!!
Me: recharge for what? no one is even taking damage.
Jerk Monk: BECAUSE OF ME!!
Me: dude i can see the health bars and no one needs your help
Jerk Monk: STFU OR I WILL STOP HEALING YOU
Me: lol
Me: oh please don't do that! I might get a paper cut!
Jerk Monk: FINE NOOB! NO MORE HEALING FOR YOU
Me: gj

*10 min later* no one says anything and we're pwning

Me: Thanks for the healing man I new you would change your mind
Jerk Monk: I DIDN'T HEAL YOU
Me: Then how do you explain my still being at full health?
Jerk Monk: STFU OR I WILL STOP HEALING EVERYONE
Group Leader: please get along you 2

*monk runs and aggroes 10 phantoms and everyone but me dies*

Me: omg you are so immature, now how are we gonna finish?
Jerk Monk: HAHAHA SEE I TOLD YOU EVERYONE NEEDED ME OR THEY DIE!

*Jerk Monk leaves the game*

Group Leader: OMG kurt pls tell me you have res!
Me: Never leave home without it

*Ressed everyone and we beat the Quest 15 minutes later with no monk*

torkerphish · Feb 22, 2006, 10:22 PM // 22:22

VoG has phantoms? :|

Kook~NBK~ · Feb 22, 2006, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by KurtTheBehemoth

UH, theres only 3 parts to the tombs

UH, There's four.

Kook~NBK~ · Feb 22, 2006, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by KurtTheBehemoth

UH, theres only 3 parts to the tombs

UH, There's four.

Ulivious The Reaper · Feb 23, 2006, 01:13 AM // 01:13

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Originally Posted by torkerphish

VoG has phantoms? :|

yes those level 20 anonying things that pop outa the ground

gimpy wimmer · Feb 23, 2006, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by KurtTheBehemoth

I have a funny monk story.

I was helping a guildie with the Villiany of Galraith. So we join a group in TOA with 5 and then a LvL 16 mo/w joins at end and starts spouting how he is pure healer and is there to save the day. I ignore him but think its funny because with the W/mo character i was using I did the Villiany by myself (forgotten to do it till after i beat the game). So we start up and i didn't have time to waste because i wanted to go to tombs. I just run out and start killing the first group. everyone catches up and joins in. At no time barely anyone was taking damage because all aggro was aimed at me which didn't take any live from me. so we start breezing through it and i notice that stupid monk start trying to heal me when i was at full life which i always was. I guess he was getting bored. Np until he yells in all caps for me to stop aggroing everything in front of us. I replied that i was in a hurry and it didn't matter because no one was even hurting.

Jerk Monk: STOP AGGROING LET ME RECHARGE!!!!!!
Me: recharge for what? no one is even taking damage.
Jerk Monk: BECAUSE OF ME!!
Me: dude i can see the health bars and no one needs your help
Jerk Monk: STFU OR I WILL STOP HEALING YOU
Me: lol
Me: oh please don't do that! I might get a paper cut!
Jerk Monk: FINE NOOB! NO MORE HEALING FOR YOU
Me: gj

*10 min later* no one says anything and we're pwning

Me: Thanks for the healing man I new you would change your mind
Jerk Monk: I DIDN'T HEAL YOU
Me: Then how do you explain my still being at full health?
Jerk Monk: STFU OR I WILL STOP HEALING EVERYONE
Group Leader: please get along you 2

*monk runs and aggroes 10 phantoms and everyone but me dies*

Me: omg you are so immature, now how are we gonna finish?
Jerk Monk: HAHAHA SEE I TOLD YOU EVERYONE NEEDED ME OR THEY DIE!

*Jerk Monk leaves the game*

Group Leader: OMG kurt pls tell me you have res!
Me: Never leave home without it

*Ressed everyone and we beat the Quest 15 minutes later with no monk*

haha gg and btw i dont see why anyone would take a monk with a secondary besides necro or mesmer those are only 2 with nrgy management

Linsys · Feb 23, 2006, 02:29 AM // 02:29

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Originally Posted by gimpy wimmer

haha gg and btw i dont see why anyone would take a monk with a secondary besides necro or mesmer those are only 2 with nrgy management

Um no they aren't.... in PvE essence bond which is a MONK skill is 10x more effective then OOB or any mesmer skill there is...